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@@maxpogfrog I would argue for Shuriken for Swordie personally. Like the vast majority of their neutral is them zoning with the shuriken. It also combos into a lot. Its definally between upair and Shuriken though; both are really good

no up air??

Shuriken is a lot better I would argue at least

Not to mention that his other 2 up specials are really good as well

disagree with miisf being one of the worst, but agree with uair being his best

Its Shuriken of Light. Thats is super annoying and combos into like everything. The majority of Swordies neutral is just spamming the Shuriken

@@benross9174 noted

Tornado is no longer even used by most msf players. I would go with shuriken or up air

Gale Strike is good but Uair is better imo. -4 on shield, does ~20%, chains into itself, weak hit combos really well, kills really well, autocancels and a-cancels well Gale Strike is still usable in some notable mus like Olimar, Steve, Etc. Also Shuriken is amazing but it’s upclose weakness hurts it hard from being the Best Move.

DA is still better

Just search for Greninja combos if you wanna see it that bad

I can't tell if this is a joke or not lol

It's the best Dash Attack in the game. Nair is really good, yeah, but it's pretty obvious when they're about to go for it. DA has deceptively long range, combos into so many things at pretty much every percent. It sets up for kills, combos, crosses up hella nice, is fast as hell, and is overall just a broken move

Its a really good nair tho i think that in a vacuum ganondorf's nair is better

@@henkiestudios5117 I don't think so, because Brawler's is way faster, being frame 3 instead of frame 7 (that alone makes Ganondorf wish he had Brawler's nair instead, because his OOS game kinda sucks), and is safer on shield as well, all the while being better at connecting with landed opponents

Up taunt doesn't do that much damage and also doesnt combo(something greninja is good at) (i do understand that this commment is a joke)

Fair imo but Nair is close second

@@ThePromisedHat I think fair is really good but a little slow. Honestly, I think it could go to any of fair, bair, nair, dtilt. I think you could argue dtilt because greninja's approach pretty much has to come from the air because his dash grab sucks, dash attack is unsafe, and ftilt isn't rewarding enough and is unsafe most of the time. Dtilt however gives him a solid ground option which, while it doesn't have the frame data, is practically safe against every out of shield option because of the bullshit range you can get. And it combos into everything. I think it's the number one difference between a good and mid player. It's basically a mini ROB dtilt. In a vacuum, maybe it's not the best but when you give it to a character like greninja...

Wrong

Bit aggressive but you’re not wrong

Ok

Too slow on startup to be his most reliable move but yea that shits real good

Good move, but can be kinda predictable

Ah i see

Burst range and launch trajectory- Greninja has a long dash so dash attack has incredible burst range, but will stop comboing at high percents, while dtilt has much much less range but comes out faster and is a more reliable combo tool at kill percent bc it has low KB

Dash attack launches further, which helps Greninja follow up with aerial strings at %s where dtilt would send too low for the character's high jumps. Dash attack also has a lot more range, is more active, low profiles more, and can even cross up sometimes. Meanwhile, the lower knockback means dtilt is better for combos at higher %s, including the dtilt usmash and dtilt fair kill confirms.

D-tilt is safer on shield and is better for combos at high percent while dash atack is better for low percent, and even tho there is an overlap between 70% of the combos that start with D-tilt and dash atack there's still some combos that only work with Dash atack or D-tilt. Side note: You can combo in high percent with dash atack and at low percent with D-tilt, but it's not the best option

Because it's his worst neutral tool lol

@@gj4312 it’s honestly a pretty good burst option in neutral tho.

It's not good in neutral. Mostly used to catch landings or whif punish.

@@genepeebody303 it's not. There are very few situations where you should use it in neutral and they're generally because you're against a character with bad out of shield options. You can't hit shield with it. It's a great advantage tool because greninja is the best in the game at catching landings but there's almost always a better option in neutral. Fair, nair, bair, and dtilt are all safe on gnw up b when done right and all have combo potential. If I see a greninja dash attacking in neutral, I know I'm in for an easy game. If they're instead managing a dash dtilt instead and mixing up their aerial approaches, that's scary. Dash attack wasn't used for a reason. It's good to catch an approach or if you're sure they're going to retreat or drop shield. I think you can react to their retreat with it from certain distances and it is a very good move but it's not that significant of a tool and his other moves are a lot better.

Yeah haha

I actually believe palu's best move is back air since it basically gives her protection with her shield

@@tres4945 and what else?

@@user-uk1xq1cf6z well it's also pretty fast and safe and as much as i hate palutena it's basically a decent combo starter

@@tres4945 palutena's neutral air is faster, it combos for days (i did a 27 hit true combo only using nair) it dragsdown and it can even kill, what else would you wa... wait a second, back air also kills..., ok, yeah it's back air

His neutral b is a lot less practical than you'd think. It's pretty overrated, ngl. No combo potential, the charged version rarely hits if your opponent is good enough, and the no charge version is really only good for making your opponent approach in a similar vane to Joker's gun, just a lot less good. Deals a bit more damage than Joker's gun, but that's not saying much.

@@titanbombomega do you play Greninja ? Bc it seems like you have no idea what you’re talking about here

@@leviwaters1023 No, but I watch countless of them in top players and Nairo's streams and vids (rare case of a character online where the playerbase is actually dedicated to being good at the game instead of just cheesing) Don't get me wrong, Greninja is still high tier, I'm just saying his neutral b ain't nearly as good as people try to make it sound like. I swear that shuriken is used for nothing more than shield pressure at a certain point, which while definitely useful, it's weird that that's all it's really good for. And the no charge water pellets? Basically just a lesser Joker neutral b. It has its use obviously, I'm just saying people praise it too much. It really only works because Greninja is fast, but in a vacuum, a lot of characters aren't getting much use out of it.

@@titanbombomega honestly yes and no. It's not a broken move but it's not even that bad . Also don't compare it to Gun because it's the best disjonted hitbox in the game . The non charged version or the mid charge is good to annoy the opponent that's what basically the projectiles are made for , the damage is not what is important . Shuriken works that the non charged version is one the fastest projectiles and mid charge levels are made if you wanna rank damage or make the opponent guess when you are gonna throw it , the only problem is that shuriken it's frame 20 start up . The max shuriken is crazy good , because it's slow and big so you can cover a lot of space on the ground meanwhile gren can cover the air . Sometimes it's even good for ledgetrapping . Obiviously shuriken it's not Smaus chrage shot , it doesn't play the game for you but it's not garbage

@@hope7237Its really good vs Snake which is one of Grens losing MUs as well. Always nice to have a projectile; even if it is mid

Thus guy counted Peach float idk why KO punch is different

Not to say he isn't fun to watch but he's one of the more cheesy characters lol

Ohhh. So thats why he sucks. He plays too fairly